tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post1841690869756945989..comments2023-12-03T02:23:12.272-06:00Comments on BeggarsCanBeChoosers.com: Why Jesus Would Call Tim Tebow a HypocriteMarc McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-90994550738418702712014-10-25T06:32:51.841-05:002014-10-25T06:32:51.841-05:00re:
>>I don't believe it is wrong to hav...re:<br />>>I don't believe it is wrong to have<br />>>money<br /><br />You may not believe this. But are you even aware of what Jesus had to say on the matter? Jesus was clearly not a fan of rich people. That's not my opinion. Read his actual words in passages like Mark 10:21. Passages like that, and Jesus's "Eye of the Needle" quote are way more radical than virtually any progressive I've ever heard in the U.S.<br />The problem with most "Christians" is that they rarely even seem to be aware of what's in the Bible. The teachings they often follow have little to do with what Christ actually taught.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-14599553081945994912014-08-05T11:02:36.057-05:002014-08-05T11:02:36.057-05:00I don't know if Tebow is fake or not, but I do...I don't know if Tebow is fake or not, but I don't believe it is wrong to have money and a nice lifestyle that it can bring...provided you give back to society, and Tebow had clearly done this with his charity work, etc. And, Christian or not, any decent human being should give back if they have substantial wealth. <br /><br />Now, I believe in Joel Osteen's, and the rest of his ilk, case it is very wrong to have a lavish lifestyle and huge mansion as their income is sent in to him by donations to be used for God's work. I think it should be in reverse: 10 percent for tithes, keep 90 percent? Osteen's should keep 10 percent of the donations for his salary...and the rest of his staff/ministers' salary. The remaining 90 percent should go to the ministry. JMHO.<br /><br />Btw, I did notice on Tebow's Facebook page today a quote stating holiness is man's chief end, not happiness. I get the point, but do not believe the two are mutually exclusive. JMHOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-49092219301085207382014-07-22T07:22:13.942-05:002014-07-22T07:22:13.942-05:00I find all of your comments to be flawed. What kin...I find all of your comments to be flawed. What kind of follower of Christ buys a 1.4 million dollar home in a country club? Hahaha. Tebow just bought a home in Jacksonville for that amount, lol.<br />Would Jesus approve? Well, the bible sort of hints he wouldn't. But then again, would the bible approve of Joel Osteens mega million dollar mansion and 30 or more million in his savings account, lol.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-17187677305160921452014-01-30T13:22:49.580-06:002014-01-30T13:22:49.580-06:00re:
>>The verse about the rich is
>>mi...re:<br />>>The verse about the rich is<br />>>misinterpreted<br /><br />Yeah and I suppose that people like you have a direct hotline to God, so you can enlighten us as to what the Bible means. I've read a lot of creative ways to interpret this particular verse, as "Conservatives" desperately try to spin away Christ's strong words against wealth. Your interpretation is one of the most creative I've read. Oh, well, at least you're not trying to claim that Jesus was talking about "greedy" people---after all, he clearly used the word, "rich."Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-87028447337580156482014-01-30T12:07:15.360-06:002014-01-30T12:07:15.360-06:00The verse about the rich is misinterpreted. Jesus ...The verse about the rich is misinterpreted. Jesus wasn't talking about a socioeconomic status but rather being rich in spirit desiring earthly material and having no need for a savior.<br /><br />There are multimillionaire Christians who absolutely love giving to the poor.<br /><br />There are also poor people who are not Christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-84712273743642277722013-11-15T13:50:27.407-06:002013-11-15T13:50:27.407-06:00Hi, Anon, thanks for the note.
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>>the pro...Hi, Anon, thanks for the note.<br />re:<br />>>the problem with your argument<br />>>is that you misinterpreted the<br />>>text<br /><br />Perhaps this is so. But I always get a bit annoyed by those who claim to know what exactly the Bible says. Let's face it, huge chunks of the Bible are very vague. I always have my doubts about those people who claim to know "exactly" what the Bible says.<br />The ironic thing is that, the verse that I discussed in this article is one of those rare Bible verses that is actually very clear and straight-forward. For you to claim that I "misinterpreted" what is actually a very clear passage is absurd.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-4894525161781596092013-11-13T22:52:45.982-06:002013-11-13T22:52:45.982-06:00The problem with your argument is that you misinte...The problem with your argument is that you misinterpreted the text. Matthew 6:5-6 says that followers of Christ should not pray like hypocrites, who pray not so that they will be heard by God but so that they will be praised by man. The command to pray in secret was to reduce temptation to pray for one's own glory. Nowhere in the Bible is public prayer condemned so long as it is sincere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-55574649309310994362013-03-30T15:48:09.768-05:002013-03-30T15:48:09.768-05:00They are the exact same verses you used...they sim...They are the exact same verses you used...they simply take in to consideration the context of these verses and cultural messages regarding the Pharisees. I am very honored that you think so highly of my relationship with God. I seek to read and interpret the Bible with His help, as well as in a way that continually honors Him. Although I cannot do this perfectly on my own, I pray that He will lead and guide me in seeking His truth. What I am saying is that it does not do any good to cute references if they are not used properly. Different verses hold specific messages for the people of the time period. I hope you understand this concept, otherwise this may lead to confusing interpretations of parables, poetic scripture, and wisdom literature in the Bible. I also wish you the best in dealing with animal rights organizations, as I assume you also strictly adhere to the Old Testament levitical codes that require sacrifices. I suggest that you look into the scriptural context of these verses as I think it could change your opinion of Tim.I think this will help you realize Tim is a Christ like man, who is clearly aiding in the process of redemption in our fallen world. I would suggest possibly talking to a pastor about these verses because maybe you will treat their opinions with slightly more respect. If you are not a Christian, then I don't understand why you would make this argument in the first place. I am sorry but I will continue to attempt to glorify my savior in everything I do, and publically display my gratitude for the amazing grace He has extended towards a sinner like myself. God Bless<br />-Andrew KarelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-57107390370566793062013-03-27T14:54:32.802-05:002013-03-27T14:54:32.802-05:00Hi Anon,
Wow, it must be nice to have a direct hot...Hi Anon,<br />Wow, it must be nice to have a direct hotline to God and to know exactly what He wants.<br />You need to go back and re-read my article. I cite direct Bible verses to back up my points. By contrast, you don't cite any Bible verses to back up your points. I guess when you have a direct hotline to God, you don't need to bother with such formalities, huh?Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-37219970455615122013-03-27T10:45:23.018-05:002013-03-27T10:45:23.018-05:00Jesus would not call Tebow a hypocrite. He would c...Jesus would not call Tebow a hypocrite. He would call Tim someone who is so on fire for Christianity that he cannot contain his passion to just his personal life. Christians are called to share the source of their hope, and spread the gospel of Christ. <br />Second, God never condemns public prayer. He condemns people who are publicly praying for their own gain or personal recognition. If you think Tim is praying to make himself look better that is your own opinion. The true meaning behind this verse is to have heartfelt prayer that is has the proper motivation behind it. You have no way of knowing Tim's motivation behind his prayers; therefore, the reference to this verse is irrelevant.<br />Third, God does not directly condemn the wealthy. He condemns people who LOVE MONEY and serve it as their only master. The fact that Tim uses his money in ways that benefits others is impossible to deny. Just look at all the work he has done with the Tim Tebow foundation and all of the mission trips he involves himself with. He is a great example of God putting someone in a place that can be used for his glory. <br />Although I see where you are going with this message, I think it is unfair to pick and choose certain parts of these Bible verses, without including the overall message that is meant to be communicated. If you think Tebow is a hypocrite, the only grounds for making this claim are your own personal opinions. Don't try to use Bible verses to support the claim that he is a hypocrite unless you include the overall message of the verse. I will be interested to see you write an article that proves Tim is a hypocrite, while abiding by these standards in your writing. <br />Good LuckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-22117488377660728562012-12-27T17:39:02.813-06:002012-12-27T17:39:02.813-06:00re:
>>Jesus says it is hard for a rich
>&...re:<br />>>Jesus says it is hard for a rich<br />>>person to enter heaven because a<br />>>person that is rich obviously<br />>>gets his wealth and holds onto<br />>>it-is so protective of it that<br />>>he doesn't care about his fellow<br />>>man. He won't care about faith<br />>>in God.<br /><br />Actually, I agree with you on this. This is clearly what Jesus is talking about. I don't know where you're getting that I'm taking verses "out of context" or "twisting" around Jesus' words.<br /><br />re:<br />>>Face it, you hate the fact that<br />>>a clean, nice guy with standards<br />>>that lives his Christian faith<br />>> is actually being successful in<br />>>his profession<br /><br />Well, now here, you're running off the rails. YOU are the one who missed the whole point of my piece.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-85743961043681578332012-12-27T01:40:41.489-06:002012-12-27T01:40:41.489-06:00Marc,
why are you trying to comment on Christianit...Marc,<br />why are you trying to comment on Christianity when you obviously are not one? You don't even understand the passages that you have quoted. I've heard many sermons on the verses you say "Christians tip-toe around". You have admitted you don't go to church. How in the world do you know what "most" preachers preach on or not??? Jesus is repremanding people who pray in public for doing it with the wrong motives-for show and recognition-not for the praying itself. Jesus says it is hard for a rich person to enter heaven because a person that is rich obviously gets his wealth and holds onto it-is so protective of it that he doesn't care about his fellow man. He won't care about faith in God. You have picked verses, taken them out of context and twisted them to say what you want. Why should you resent Tim Tebow from being paid like so many other professional athletes? Face it, you hate the fact that a clean, nice guy with standards that lives his Christian faith is actually being successful in his profession. Yes, it is a job, and it's not an easy one. You are the hypocrite!Lisa of Fruitvale, Txhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783046594408846479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-27737885564512377562012-12-15T08:34:56.152-06:002012-12-15T08:34:56.152-06:00re:
>>Thanks for taking the Bible so
>>...re:<br />>>Thanks for taking the Bible so<br />>>literally. I will remember this<br />>>next time you rant on people's<br />>>rights bear arms. Thank you<br />>>hypocite.<br /><br />I take the Second Amendment literally, as well. You gun nuts don't seem to realize that it includes the words "well regulated."Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-88407718916861117592012-12-15T07:36:06.188-06:002012-12-15T07:36:06.188-06:00Thanks for taking the Bible so literally. I will r...Thanks for taking the Bible so literally. I will remember this next time you rant on people's rights bear arms. Thank you hypocite.<br />Denny Parkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-33965970168584577142012-12-12T12:38:51.953-06:002012-12-12T12:38:51.953-06:00>>if you give generously, you will reap gene...>>if you give generously, you will reap generously. <br /><br /><br />ok, now you're just making stuff up...<br /><br /><br />jesus "allegedly" said, give ALL your money to the poor... not what you think is "appropriate" or "generous". <br /><br /><br />but no, fundie xians like to pick and choose and justify thier non-adherence to VERY CLEAR teachings that are inconvienent or too difficult to livebertalmiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045188221863017835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-8665374538603202582012-12-12T12:24:35.513-06:002012-12-12T12:24:35.513-06:00>>if you give generously, you will reap gene... >>if you give generously, you will reap generously. <br /><br /><br />ok, now you're just making stuff up...<br /><br /><br />jesus "allegedly" said, give ALL your money to the poor... not what you think is "appropriate" or "generous". <br /><br /><br />but no, fundie xians like to pick and choose and justify thier non-adherence to VERY CLEAR teachings that are inconvienent or too difficult to live<br /><br /><br /><br />bertalmiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045188221863017835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-12998143440898847562012-12-09T19:28:09.829-06:002012-12-09T19:28:09.829-06:00While I agree with your statement about the hypocr...While I agree with your statement about the hypocricy of public prayer, I believe that Christ put an emphasis on this because having a "conversation" with God should be personal- without interuption and without any outside interference. It's hard to speak to the LORD alone while KNOWING that the cameras and crowds are on you and focusing COMPLETELY on Him. This is why we are told to go into our closets (rooms) and pray in secret. It's making special time out for Him. <br /><br />The only thing I really had a hard time with that you said was that being rich is condemned. Though being selfish is condemned, the LORD simply put to test the rich man. He wanted to test the man and see if he was WILLING to give up everything to follow Him. The man left troubled because his possessions were many- he cared more about the stuff than Jesus. Although I don't care for the prosperity gospel garbage that's preached constantly (the old 'you send me money and YOU'LL get rich evangelists)- I do believe in the LORD generously blessing those that follow Him. You will have to read the story of the talents, but I generally believe this (and know that I yield to the fact that we all at times err in our thinking and judgment until the LORD makes things clear to us individually): if you give generously, you will reap generously. <br /><br />Though I am not rich by American standards, I am in the top 5% of the wealthiest in the world. As I aim to please Him that has blessed me abundantly (and now being off food stamps and Medicaid I feel exceedingly and abundantly blessed in my humble apartment) I gladly give to those with less and hope to continue to give more as He has enabled me and continues to enable me to do so, but do not let me brag in myself, but unto the ability that He alone has given me- for I do not give out of my own accord, but that which He alone provides for me to give. Amen. Be blessed and increase in your faith in His mighty name- Christ Jesus our Lord.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-71898180683262322082012-02-29T19:11:47.670-06:002012-02-29T19:11:47.670-06:00Hi Anon,
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>>Is that why he signed with a
...Hi Anon,<br />re:<br />>>Is that why he signed with a<br />>>major Hollywood Agency to give<br />>>to the needy.<br /><br />He's giving to the needy? Good for him. He only makes tens of millions of dollar per year, so it's clear that he's making a big sacrifice.<br />BTW, are you familiar with Jesus' teaching when He talked about the widow's mite? That's one of those pesky Bible verses that so many "Christians" either seem unaware of, or they quietly tiptoe away from it and try to pretend it doesn't exist.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-6886629158937417802012-02-29T17:57:27.947-06:002012-02-29T17:57:27.947-06:00Is that why he signed with a major Hollywood Agen...Is that why he signed with a major Hollywood Agency to give to the needy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-67686154603024076222012-01-29T22:49:49.183-06:002012-01-29T22:49:49.183-06:00Hi Anon, thanks for your comment.
Sorry, but it...Hi Anon, thanks for your comment.<br />Sorry, but it's clear that Jesus Himself would disagree with your assessment. It's one thing to "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel." It's quite another to pray in public, which contradicts Jesus's SPECIFIC instructions on how to pray. This is NOT a verse that is open to interpretation---but I'm sure you fundies will disagree---as you love to twist around Jesus's message of peace, love, forgiveness and helping the poor.<br /><br />re:<br />>>Tim Tebow is by all means NOT<br />>>FAKE!<br /><br />Uh, actually, you don't really know that. All we really know about Tebow is that he loves to ostentatiously pray in public (thus contradicting Christs' specific instructions) and that he is incredibly wealthy (and is thus someone that Christ said will burn in hell). The last time I checked, it was impossible for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.<br /><br />All Tebow is is a pampered athlete who makes an obscene amount of money for playing with an inflated pigskin on a field. Let's not kid ourselves that he is doing something important in this world. He isn't Nelson Mandela, for Chrissakes.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-15645353621158704992012-01-29T18:53:59.285-06:002012-01-29T18:53:59.285-06:00And He said to them, "Go into all the world a...And He said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."<br />-Mark 16:15<br /><br />Tim Tebow is NOT a hypocrite! He <br />is proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ. Just like he asked us to. What's so wrong with being strong in your faith? NOTHING! Hyprocricy is being FAKE and Tim Tebow is by all means NOT FAKE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-57726828663825195282012-01-05T02:57:23.074-06:002012-01-05T02:57:23.074-06:00Hi, Susan, thanks for stopping by and for your com...Hi, Susan, thanks for stopping by and for your comment.<br />re:<br />>>I would also like to point out<br />>>that black players have for<br />>>years, held little prayer<br />>>circles before and after games,<br />>>often intra-team, outside of the<br />>>view of the television cameras<br />>>and mostly unremarked upon.<br /><br />Great point! Thanks.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-65767946644050985632011-12-29T21:22:18.467-06:002011-12-29T21:22:18.467-06:00We;; stated, Marc. Tebow is very arrogant vain, an...We;; stated, Marc. Tebow is very arrogant vain, and self-serving by his constant, unnecessary wearing of his Christianity on his sleeve.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465017098355576489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-43818375269321370392011-12-29T20:59:44.276-06:002011-12-29T20:59:44.276-06:00The fact is, if Tebow (Who is a simply AWFUL quart...The fact is, if Tebow (Who is a simply AWFUL quarterback) is where he is BECAUSE of his displays of piety, and if he were Buddhist, Wiccan or dear FSM a MUSLIM, not only would he NOT be watched every time he prayed to Mecca and praising Allah, he wouldn't have a gig in the NFL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11753985.post-16562872382792069272011-12-29T18:02:28.231-06:002011-12-29T18:02:28.231-06:00Hi, Snakeoiler, thanks for your comment:
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>&...Hi, Snakeoiler, thanks for your comment:<br />re:<br />>>>I don't think it's fair to<br />>>>criticize him for taking money<br />>>>that his employer is offering<br />>>>him to perform his job, even if<br />>>>it is what most of us would<br />>>>consider obscene<br /><br />Personally, I think gettting paid $30 million to play football is obscene when there are tens of millions of people who do real, back-breaking work and don't even earn enough to put food on the table.<br />But note that in my article, all I'm doing is quoting Jesus' own words. It was Jesus who said that if you're rich, you will likely burn in hell. It was Jesus who said that if you're rich, you can only enter heaven if you sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor.<br />If you think this is an extreme point of view, or unfair or radical or socialistic---that's your opinion. But the fact is, if you read Christ's own words, this is what He believed---and what He required of his followers.<br />The Bible is vague on a lot of issues. This isn't one of them.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.com